[EM] why can't we have the Ranked Ballot (even IRV) for primaries?

[Dave Ketchum]

On Aug 27, 2010, at 11:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote:
>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:23 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>>> ...
>>> still agree that Condorcet is better than IRV, but IRV is better  
>>> than FPTP.  within the Racine camp (which is where i was a  
>>> volunteer and able to directly observe what was going on on  
>>> primary night) there were some pining for IRV believing that our  
>>> candidate would have prevailed if IRV was operative instead of FPTP.
>>
>> I suspect that many are simply echoing the label they have heard  
>> for Ranked Choice.
>
> most people still don't know or get the difference between the  
> ranked-choice ballot and the STV method of tabulation.
>>
>> Let IRV keep what it demonstrated in Burlington - but avoid  
>> Condorcet getting scarred by that.
> yup.
>>>
>>>> For another day I would promote Condorcet for the general  
>>>> election, noting that that reduces the value of even having  
>>>> primaries.
>>>
>>> i think that, especially for a single-seat office, that parties  
>>> will want to proffer one candidate that is "our guy".  then  
>>> primaries or caucuses or something is needed within the primary to  
>>> decide who their guy is.  and in the U.S., the state governments  
>>> enacted laws regarding that to keep parties honest within  
>>> themselves.  they didn't want major parties to select their  
>>> candidates solely within smoke-filled rooms.  so most states  
>>> imposed primaries upon the parties and some imposed advanced  
>>> registration to a party to be eligible to vote in such primary.
>>>
>> The advanced registration makes sense to protect against invasion  
>> with intent to destroy.
>
> for better or for worse, Vermont (and a few other small states) do  
> not require advance registration.  since the Republican candidate  
> (Brian Dubie) ran unopposed in the Republican primary, any GOPper  
> who was willing to sacrifice his/her participation in selecting  
> their candidates in lessor offices (or for US congress), could have  
> voted in the Dem primary to stir up trouble.  in fact, the way it's  
> done in Vermont, you don't even ask for the ballot of the party you  
> want to vote in, they give you 3 ballots (1 GOP, 1 Dem, 1 Prog), you  
> fill one out, put it in the voting machine and toss the other two  
> ballots.
>
Being civilized is GOOD!

Helps if those that need it get corrected.
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