[EM] language/framing quibble
juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Mar 3 14:40:01 PST 2009
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Fred Gohlke <fredgohlke at verizon.net> wrote:
> re: "In this case there are also opportunities in
> before nomination."
> In which case? In the case of the present system, where
> campaigning is used to 'sell' corrupt politicians to
> the people?
I meant that there is always "before".
If there is no campaigning after
nomination then one can try to make
oneself or one's favourite known
already before the nomination.
I didn't refer to present practices
of any country.
> re: "I don't see campaigning as a problem in
> itself (although
> there may be problems in it, particularly since some
> sort of
> campaigning or at least "active information
> sharing" seems
> Campaigning, in itself, is a problem because politicians
> must 'sell their soul' for campaign funds and
> because the act of campaigning debases the candidate.
I referred to the same problem as you.
Funding the campaigns may be a big
problem, but that doesn't yet mean
that all publicity of the candidates
(campaigning) would be bad. I'd like
to keep these two concepts separate.
> re: "I referred to your expression "He who pays
> the piper, calls
> the tune". And I intended to say simply that
> "extensive use
> of money" easily leads to corruption and
> doesn't support
> democracy in the best/intended way, and therefore is
> not a
> target to implement."
> We have agreed that the need for money in the electoral
> process is corrupting. Can we now take that point as
> 'given'? If we can accept that simple ... and
> obvious ... fact, we can start a list of objectives for a
> more democratic electoral process with, "It must not
> place a financial burden on political candidates."
Yes, at least when the influence or
campaign financing gets too high.
> If we design a process that does not
> require campaigning, the evils of campaigning will be
How will you do that? It may be
possible to set limits to funding,
but is your intention to limit
also somehow the visibility of
the candidates (= no information
distribution at all) and the work
that voluntary campaign workers
do (that requires no money)?
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