[EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

[Dave Ketchum]

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:24:37 +0100 Raph Frank wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Dave Ketchum <davek at clarityconnect.com> wrote:
> 
>>>The idea of having a Condorcet party is to gradually transform Plurality
>>>elections into Condorcet elections.
>>
>>Disturbing existing elections by marrying in something from Condorcet seems
>>very destructive considering possible benefits, so how about:
>>    Run a phantom Condorcet election with current candidates before the
>>existing voting.
> 
> 
> Right that is what I was thinking.  It was that a party would hold a
> condorcet primary.
> 
This phantom election would be run by the Condorcet promoters WITHOUT 
marrying it in to the regular election - its purpose is to encourage 
thought about Condorcet WITHOUT the thousand headaches that marriage would 
produce.  It would likely do better as a phantom election than as a phantom 
primary.
> 
>>Candidates can drop out if they choose:
>>    Third party candidates have little to lose.
>>    Major party candidates risk static as to why they did not dare.
> 
> 
> Also, I wonder if they could be put on the ballot anyway.  Would that be legal?
> 
Permitting dropouts is less destructive than demanding unwilling participation.

BTW - write-ins SHOULD be permitted, as would be in a proper election.
> 
>>Those who choose to, vote via internet.
> 
> 
> This generates massive participation biases.  You need some way to
> cancel them out.
> 
Tolerating and admitting, without attempts at cancellation of bias, sounds 
best to me - we are doing a demonstration rather than a true election.

Do need defense against one voter submitting multiple ballots - needs thought.
> 
>>Thus we have ballots to count and report on as a sort of poll.
> 
> 
> The trick is to make it so that voters don't just see it as another poll.

We are getting voters to practice doing Condorcet voting - should matter 
little that the results are a poll rather than claiming the right to be 
counted as true electing.
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