[Election-Methods] IRV ballot is at least as fair as FPTP ballot

[Stéphane Rouillon]

Yes some voters have second-choice considered but they are all still 
treated equally.
I agree when you say IRV voters whose first-choice loses in the first 
round have their second choices considered.

I do not understand why you conclude that then obviously IRV does
not consider the ballots choices of all voters equally. Who is 
advantaged during next round according to you?

The people whose have their second choices considered or the people who 
still have a first choice still running?

S. Rouillon

Kathy Dopp a écrit :
> On Dec 25, 2007 2:35 PM, Stéphane Rouillon
> <stephane.rouillon at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>   
>>  Miss Dopp,
>>
>>  I definitively cannot accept this analysis.
>>  What you just wrote SEEMS OBVIOUSLY TRUE WITH IRV to me.
>>
>>  in a non-runoff FPTP single-person-position system, every voter has
>> their first place choice tabulated and no one has any second-choice
>> considered and all voters' ballots are treated equally.
>>     
>
>
> So you are now claiming that No Voter has any second-choices
> considered in IRV voting?
>
> Well I must have totally misunderstood IRV then.  Pray tell me why are
> voters supposed to provide their second choices if "no one has any
> second-choice considered" then?
>
> I am mystified.
>
> My understanding was that with IRV voters whose first-choice loses in
> the first round have their second choices considered.
>
> If that were true (you claim now it is not) then obviously IRV does
> not consider the ballots choices of all voters equally and countably
> infinite situations result when candidates whom a majority of voters
> do NOT support can win the election.
>
> Kathy
>
>   
>> This is obviously not true with IRV.
>>
>> Kathy
>>  In IRV, every voter has a current preference tabulated and all voters'
>> ballots are treated equally.
>>  The fact that it is a first, second or fifth preference is definitively
>> unrelevant when having to consider
>>  the voting method fair or not. The treatment is the same for every voter,
>> and you cannot say in advance
>>  which voter will be unfairly treated, or less than with FPTP.
>>  And this previous statement is simply unbelievable!!!
>>
>> my opinion is that it does
>> not treat all voters' ballots equally and should be considered illegal
>> under any law that requires the ballots of all voters to be treated
>> equally.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>>  Obviously to me, IRV ballots are at least as fair than FPTP ballots,
>>  and definitively more precise.
>>
>>  Stéphane Rouillon, ing., M.Sc.A., Ph.D.
>>
>>  Kathy Dopp a écrit :
>>  -
>> Allen,
>>
>> Your statement is flatly false.
>>
>> in a non-runoff FPTP single-person-position system, every voter has
>> their first place choice tabulated and no one has any second-choice
>> considered and all voters' ballots are treated equally.
>>
>> This is obviously not true with IRV.
>>
>> Kathy
>>     
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