[EM] Chris: various topics
Chris Benham
chrisbenham at bigpond.com
Fri May 27 03:12:13 PDT 2005
James,
I reply to me writing that Mono-add-Plump and Mono-append should always
be on our "shopping list" because they are so "cheap", you wrote:
>The thing is, nobody has convinced me that there is any particular reason
>to care about mono-add-plump or mono-append. Maybe I should care about
>them, but I [don't] know why I should, at least not as yet. So, even if they're
>bargain-basement cheap, I don't see why I should buy them.
>
I am flabbergasted at your claim that you need someone to *convince*
you to "care about" those criteria. Are there any criteria that that
you have come to care about without
anyone needing to convince you? (If so, which ones?)
(Just to be clear, in case anyone missed the definitions, Mono-add-Plump
means that if x wins and afterwards we add some ballots that
bullet-vote for x, then x must still win;
and Mono-append says that if x wins and afterwards we alter some
truncated ballots that didn't rank x to now rank x just below the
previously lowest-ranked candidate, then
x must still win.)
Either you are not serious and are to use a UK slang expression "taking
the piss", or you have a highly defective
intuition/sense-of-the-ridiculous.
I won't get sucked into trying to "convince" you of their value;
except to say that they are not incompatible with any criteria that you
(or anyone else at EM) say that you *do*
care about, so proposing a method that fails one or other of those
criteria is an easily avoidable marketing liability (because lots of
people do/will think that failing those criteria
is silly and unacceptable.)
On the subject of my proposed "Weak Burial Resistance" criterion:
>"If x is the CW (and wins), and on more than 1/3 of the ballots ranked
>>above y and z; and afterwards on some of the ballots that rank y above x
>>and x not below z, z's ranking relative to x is raised while keeping y
>>ranked above them both, then if there is a new winner it cannot be y."
>>
>
>
> To me, this seems too specific to be called something as general as "weak
>burial resistance". Plus, the wording is quite confusing.
>
Well its about nothing else except Burial resistance, and its not
"strong" Burial resistance which suggests complete invulnerability to
Burial. As far as I know, the only two significant measures of Burial
resistance available are complete invulnerability (such as with IV and
PP) and this one suggested by my criterion. (Maybe instead of "weak"
you would prefer
the word "partial"?).
The criterion is in plain unambiguous English. Which part do you find
confusing? This suggestion of yours:
>"If C is the CW and is ranked above X and Y on
>more than 1/3 of the ballots, the X>C faction cannot switch the winner
>from C to X by burying C under Y."
>
means exactly the same thing, but with mine noone needs to know what
"burying" means. (But yes, apart from that, yours does look a bit more
succinct and elegant).
Chris Benham
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