[EM] California Dreamin', Take 2
jarmyta at antioch-college.edu
Wed Aug 25 20:17:59 PDT 2004
My personal opinion is that bicameralism is unnecessarily bulky for a
state legislature. So rather than re-conceptualizing the relationship
between the two chambers, I'd rather just condense it into a single
chamber. I think that people have enough trouble keeping track of what is
happening in state government as it is, and I think that having two
separate chambers makes this problem twice as bad.
I would like to elect the single chamber via STV-PR. For district
magnitude, 7 or 9 on average sounds fine to me.
I don't think that it is too attractive to elect a legislative chamber
via Condorcet's method, even if they are only deciding on legislation
rather than writing it, because single-winner districts can lead to
disproportionality, and encourage gerrymandering. For example... Say there
are 100 seats in the chamber. The Democrats have a 100%-0% majority in 49
of the districts, and the Republicans have a 51%-49% majority in the
remaining 51 districts. The Democrats have 73.99% of the vote, the
Republicans have 26.01% of the vote, but the Republicans have majority
control over the chamber. It's an extreme example, but you get the general
idea. Single-winner-district legislatures are usually bad news, I think.
I know that you are very concerned with centrism, but I do think that a
good STV-PR assembly would still hinge on the center. Some of the
representatives would probably be rather distant from the center, but in
order to pass legislation one would need to build a majority coalition
which includes the center.
If you still feel the need to inject more centrism into the system, I
would probably just suggest a "parallel" system within one chamber (as in
Russia, Japan, etc.) rather than creating separate chambers. That is,
elect most of the seats (80%?) via STV-PR, and the remainder by Condorcet.
Thus, you have a mostly-proportional assembly that is somewhat weighted
towards the center. I'm not personally convinced that this would be
preferable to just a straight STV-PR legislature, but I would prefer it to
a bicameral system. I think that Rob Loring is an advocate of STV-PR /
Condorcet parallel assemblies.
>Despite Arnold's best efforts (which, frankly, are better than anyone
>else has done here for decades)
Feel free to elaborate on these (onlist or offlist, as you prefer).
>The optimal district magnitude
>for PR is usually considered around seven (7),
Considered by whom?
>giving a 90% confidence
>that a voter would get a candidate they agree with.
90% chance that they will get their first choice, or what? Wouldn't that
just depend on the ratio between candidates and seats?
>In case of a
>cycle, the whole Smith set would go to the governor and he/she could
Why not use the iterative pairwise procedure which I proposed for small
group voting, at
Also, in a small group, the Smith set (or minimal dominant set) may
differ from the Schwartz set (union of minimal undominated sets). For an
explanation of the difference between these sets, see
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