[EM] Advanced Math question

Narins, Josh josh.narins at lehman.com
Wed Jan 8 07:33:24 PST 2003

Forest is correct.

I found out if I want to get better at one type of bond math, I should learn
"Sigma Algebra"

And I bought the "For All Practical Purposes" episode on voting, which can
be used as a 30-60 minute introduction to the topic for _anyone_ who is
willing to not be put off by the low production value


-----Original Message-----
From: Forest Simmons [mailto:fsimmons at pcc.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:44 PM
To: election-methods-list at eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [EM] Advanced Math question

Josh (as I understood him) was asking which mathematical disciplines would
be most useful for someone like him to study in order to better understand
the technical aspects of election methods.

My list omitted the most important of all: Game Theory, in particular,
N-Person Game Theory (if not differential game theory).

[Differential Game theory would be ideal for the continuous (joy stick)
version of the CRAB race method.]


On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Dave Ketchum wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:46:56 -0800 (PST) Forest Simmons wrote:
> > Linear algebra, graph theory, probability, statistics, measure 
> > theory, metric spaces, combinatorics, piecewise linear topology, 
> > linear programming, multivariate calculus, mathematical logic and 
> > set theory, theory of algorithms, etc. are all good for the tool 
> > box.
> >
> > Most of the minimization can be done without multivariate calculus, 
> > but that's where most folks get a good feel for minimization with 
> > constraints and for geometry with more than two dimensions.
> >
> > The linear algebra "stuff" may go past what you learned in the first 
> > semester of linear algebra.
> >
> > For example, moving a candidate from "Candidate Space" into "Voter 
> > Space" is most naturally done with the help of the "Singular Value 
> > Decomposition" of the matrix whose rows represent the voters and 
> > whose columns represent the candidates.
> >
> > Was the SVD part of your linear algebra course?
> >
> > [By the way, the lambdas that represent the eigenvalues in the SVD 
> > are the same lambdas that represent Lagrange multipliers in 
> > multivariate maximization with constraints; the similarity of 
> > notation is no accident.]
> >
> > I like this election methods field because it seems to be at the 
> > cross roads of all the fields of mathematics that I enjoy.  Even 
> > intuitions from differential equations and digital filtering have 
> > helped me from time to time.
> >
> > We need people with all different kinds of backgrounds to help us 
> > find new ways of looking at these election methods.
> >
> > Forest
> I see three divisions:
>       To analyze methods anything, such as described above, goes.
>       The actual method had better stay with simple operations the 
> average voter can understand.
>       For near ties, such as Condorcet cycles, a bit more complexity 
> is tolerable - but the more understandable to voters with minimum 
> requirement for mathematical understanding the better.
> --
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