IRV inconsistency
Buddha Buck
bmbuck at 14850.com
Thu May 17 13:29:54 PDT 2001
At 03:35 PM 05-17-2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Mr. Schulze wrote in part-
>
>On the other side, Condorcet methods are criticized very frequently
>because the winner depends "only" on the pairwise matrix while
>other information is ignored.
>--
>D- Which is why I suggest an *absolute* YES/NO vote on each choice with only
>the YES majority choices going head to head (which only shows *relative*
>votes).
In your opinion, would it be reasonable to assume that if a voter favors
candidate A to candidate B, and is willing to give an *absolute* YES vote
to Candidate B, they would also give an *absolute* YES vote to candidate A
(and if they would give a NO vote to Candidate A, they would also give a no
vote to B)?
If so, instead of asking the voter to both rank the candidates and to vote
yes/no in each candidate, I can see three options:
(Sample ballots assume that the voter has a preference of A>B>C>D>E in a
five-candidate election, and would vote yes on C and higher, no on D and lower)
1) Ask voters to only rank the candidates they would vote an absolute *YES*
to, with a special "none-of-the-above" mark (to indicate a NO vote to all
candidates). Ballot: A>B>C
2) Ask the voters to use dyadic rankings, Ballot: A>B>C>>D>E
3) Ask the voters to rank a mythical "None-Of-The-Below" (NOTB) candidate
as well as the real candidates. Ballot: A>B>C>NOTB>D>E
The difference between 2) and 3) is the in which a voter could indicate
unanimous disapproval of all of the candidates. If there is no >> in a
dyadic ballot, is it universal approval, or universal disapproval. I think
3) is easier for a voter to understand, as well.
I don't like 1) because I see the information below NOTB to be
useful. While the voter casting the ballot above obviously feels that D
and E are both "evil", he would prefer that the lesser of the two evils
gets elected over the greater (if none of his preferred candidates voted,
that is).
>How many U.S.A. President candidates could get a YES majority (assuming no
>incumbent is running again) ???
It's hard to say. With plurality elections and less than 50% of the
eligible population voting, the data from elections isn't there to answer
this question.
>More detailed *absolute* info would be nice --- but requiring *too much* info
>input from the voters may be asking too much (noting Mr. Simmons' Oregon
>FAVOR education efforts).
>
>That is, what is the upper info input limit for the *average* voter about
>choices (which would thus be used to determine choices) ---
>
>YES/NO plus ranking (1, 2, etc.) ???
>
>Scale voting (100 to 0) ???
>
>Something else ???
"Grading" (for each candidate, an A, B, C, D, F grade)
Ranking + NOTB
More?
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