[EM] Droop as a Religious Belief

[David Catchpole]

Better to side with the mainstream than with an irrational cult, D.
Remember that Droop has numbers on its side in more ways than one. While
this may be relying too much on some imputed logic of mob rule (even if
my mob incorporates the man after whom unfortunately the Hare quota is
named), remember that as the minority, the onus is on you to demonstrate
that anything you've said about Hare's superiority has any rational basis.
You've failed to do so. Despite your and my rhetoric, as Galileo (once the
"minority", now posthumously the majority) once said, "yet the world
turns."

Remember-
*	We can take it as given that a number of voters will not have
their votes count towards results. The minimum number of voters to do so
is 1/(n+1)- the Droop surplus.
*	Our consideration is of _results_ and how they relate to _votes
and voters_. Some semi-religious (and yes, the accusation faces both ways)
nihilistic appeal to a false idol of "not in quota" voters or any other
fails to take into account the principles of PR, or indeed of any
utilitarian principle of voting systems.
*	We've demonstrated that Hare sucks where a single electorate is
considered, where Droop does not. The last front remaining for Hare
supporter(s) is to extensively investigate where Droop and Hare exacerbate
systems with more than one electorate.

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Donald E Davison wrote:

> Greetings,                              11/19/99
> 
>      During any `Droop War' I have always tried to present my side of the
> issue based on logic, fainess, honesty, and that which is mathematically
> correct.
>      Proportional is mathematically correct when the members are elected by
> equal parts of the total votes. If we have 12,000 votes in a three member
> district, and the three members are elected by 4,000 votes each, then that
> is proportional because three sets of 4,000 is equal to 12,000.
>      But, for this same district, the Droop quota is 3,001 votes. It is
> clear that three sets of 3,001 does not equal 12,000. Therefore, Droop does
> not contain mathematically correct proportions. And yet, it puzzles me when
> the Droop People keep saying: `Droop is Proportional'.
>      They keep repeating over and over the expression `Droop is
> Proportional' - `Droop is Proportional', like a religious chant.
>      That must be it!
>      It is a religious chant. They have been debating on a different level,
> they are on a religious level.
>      To them, Droop is a Religious Belief. Something they are required to
> believe without question.
> 
>      And now this David Catchpole comes along and confirms that Droop's
> proportionality is based on religious belief.
>      On 11/12/99, David, who is feeling less secure these days, wrote:
> 
>      "I never feel secure these days, but tell you what, if you do believe
> in a higher being, then you've got that higher being to thank for the fact
> that Droop is more proportional than Hare in any proper consideration of
> the relation of election _votes_ to _results_."
> 
> This religious revelation makes the Droop issue understandable.
>   As a religious belief:
>     Droop is not required to be logical.
>     Droop is not required to be fair.
>     Droop is not required to be honest.
>     Droop is not required to be mathematical.
>     Droop's `Proportions' are not required to be proportional.
> 
>      We need to thank David, he has placed Droop into its proper context
> for us. It will be much easier now for us to understand the arguments of
> the Droop People.
>      Their chanting is necessary, it affirms their belief in Droop. We are
> big enough to endure that noise.
> 
>      But, religious or not, Droop is still corruption.
> 
> Regards,
> Donald
> 
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