[EM] Ronald Tannenwald's example

[Ron Tannenwald]

>Dear Ronald Tannenwald,
>
>     Thank you for chiming in.
>
>     As I understand the Salva method, I think candidate B is to be the
>Salva Voting winner of your example.
>     If a candidate loses the lead position then different candidates are
>to have choice/votes transferred in the next cycle of transfers. The
>candidate that lost the lead is to have his next available choices
>transferred in the next cycle of choice/vote transfers. And the candidate
>that takes the lead will not have any choice/votes transferred in the next
>cycle of transfers.
>     I will show in your example as follows:
>
>              A-B        B-C-D         C-B-D
>              49%         25%           26%
>First cycle of transfers will have B giving C 25% and C will give B 26%
>
>                         +26%          +25%
>             ----        ----          ----
>              49%         51%           51%
>
>     Allow me to give one vote to candidate B so that the tie can be broken
>and we can complete the example. Candidate B is now the lead candidate with
>51% +1 vote.
>
>     The second cycle will transfer the second choices of candidate A and
>the third choices of candidate C, as follows:
>
>                    A-B         B-C-D        C-B-D       D
>                    49%         51% +1        51%
>second transfers                49%                     26%
>                   ----        -------       -----     ----
>                    49%        100% +1        51%       26%
>
>     Candidate B is the Salva Voting winner.
>     Salva Voting has elected the Condorcet winner(whatever that means).
>
>Regards,
>Donald Davison
>
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>Donald!
>
>      Consider the following election situation with 4 candidates for a single
>position.
>
>     49%      25%      26%
>    _____     ____     ____
>
>      A        B         C
>      B        C         B
>               D         D
>
>    Method     Winner
>  ________    _______
>
>  plurality      A
>
>  with runoff    C
>
>  Borda          B
>
>  Condorcet      B
>
>  approval       B
>
>  Hare           C
>
>  Salva          D ??
>
>       If I understand this idea, it isn't even Paretto much less monotonic!
>
>   Respectfully,
>
>Ronald Tannenwald
>Chairperson, Mathematics Department
>UMass Dartmouth
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Dear Donald,

    Thank you for explaining the Salva method.I don't agree with the assertion
that one's lower alternates cannot contribute to the defeat of one's preferred
candidate.Consider the following:

    49%      3%      23%     25%
   _____    ____     ____    ____

     A        B        B       C
              A        C       B

In this scenario A is victorious. Had the 3% block voted only for their
first choice then B would have won.

    Cordially,

Ronald Tannenwald
Chairperson, Mathematics Department
UMass Dartmouth
North Dartmouth MA, 02747
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