# Votes Against Tiebreaker

Bart Ingles bartman at netgate.net
Sat Oct 17 12:55:48 PDT 1998

```Mike Ositoff wrote:
>
> >
> > In the following example of a circular tie:
> >
> > 40  AB
> >  9  BA
> > 12  BC
> > 39  C
> >
> > A > B:  40 - 9 - 12       =  40 - 21  =  19
> > A > C:  40 + 9 - 12 - 39  =  49 - 51  =  -2
> > B > C:  40 + 9 + 12 - 39  =  61 - 39  =  22
> >
> > Which "votes against" do you use?  'C' has the greatest vote against in [...]
>
> You're subtracting votes for from votes against; that's Margins,
> not VA. Here's the votes-against:
>
> A>B 40
> B>C 61
> C>A 51
>
> B wins by any of the VA methods, such as plain Condorcet(EM),
> Smith//Condorcet(EM), Schulze, or SD.

Sorry, don't know why I included the Margin figures.  I meant that C
appeared to have the greatest vote against in a pairing, with 61.  I
assumed that meant you had to drop C and let A and B go head-to-head.

Seems like this should be called "votes for", if you are keeping B based
on the 61 positive votes B received.
Bart

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