Rank is a "Double Speak" word

Mike Ositoff ntk at netcom.com
Thu Nov 12 18:18:24 PST 1998

>      What does the word rank mean to you? (or ranked or ranking). To me it
> means that my most preferred candidate is to be my first choice, and my
> second preferred candidate is to be my second choice, etc. And, my vote
> belongs to my first choice and it is to stay with my first choice for as
> long as my first choice is a contender.

Now Don would like to define the meaning of rankings in terms
of his method's rules, as he previously tried to define "majority"
in terms of those rules. Nope, when you rank A over B, that's saying
that you'd rather have A win than B. It's not saying that you
want to have only 1 vote, and that you want that vote to remain
on A, and perhaps never be counted helping B, though you may need
B. If you've also ranked B over C, you're saying that you'd rather
have B than C. IRO often will never count that, thereby electing
C because your expressed wish wasn't cuunted.

Don is confusing the voter's expressed wish with his won methods's

Reply concluded.

Mike Ossipoff

>      The Crank people will allow us to list our candidates 1-2-3, but they
> add other definations to our rankings. To them, rank also means "equal
> rank", plus equal rank at the same time. It is dealer's choice as to which
> defination is to be used at which time.
>      Anyway, before anyone agrees to the Cranks' statement they should
> realize the full ramifications of the added definations to the word rank.
>      If you agree to the statement, you are agreeing that each of your
> lower rankings can be assigned a vote equal to the vote held by your first
> and most preferred choice. And that all these additional votes can be used
> in any calculations at any time in equality with your orginal vote
> belonging to your first choice - even when your first choice is still a
> contender.
>      The result of this agreement will be that your lower choices may rival
> your first choice in the election - that is, your lower choices may be used
> to help defeat your first choice. This ramification is a major flaw and for
> that reason alone, the methods, Approval Voting, Borda Count, and
> Condorcet, should not be considered valid for any election.
>      The Cranks need you to agree to their statement because this is the
> only way they can get some validity for their methods.
>      In reality most people want their first choice to be preferred over
> any lower choices. So, therefore most people would not agree to the Cranks'
> statement - if they were aware of its full meaning.
>      You have been warned.
> Regards,
> Donald Davison
> Note: For those who do not know, the term Double Speak comes from the book
> "1984" by George Orwell. A fictional story of a world controlled by cranky
> people.
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