[EM] "More often" (was: IRV and Condorcet operating identically)

[Jan Kok]

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From: "Craig Carey" <research at ijs.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: [EM] "More often" (was: IRV and Condorcet operating
identically)


>
> At 2003\02\27 13:53 -0700 Thursday, Jan Kok wrote:
>  >From: "Venzke Kevin" <stepjak at yahoo.fr> ...
>  >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:49 AM
>  >Subject: Re: [EM] IRV and Condorcet operating identically
>  >> --- Dave Ketchum <davek at clarityconnect.com> a écrit :
> ...
>  >> > The above makes no sense, for IRV and Condorcet use
>  >> > identical ballots and,
>  >> > most of the time, award identical winners.
>  >      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ...
>  >I'm curious if anyone can mathematically justify such statements as
"Voting
>  >method A exhibits property P 'more often' than method B"?
> ...
>  >
>  >As a concrete example, can someone show that some Condorcet method fails
>  >Favorite Betrayal "less often" than IRV?
> ...
>
> As far as I know, it was not true that there is a definition of the
> FBC favourite betrayal thing.